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Brothers,
This is where the FFI goons pick up their issue of paedophilia from the Quran
065.001 : O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their
prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except
in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah: and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does
verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.
065.002 : Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable
terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah.
Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares
a way out,
065.003: And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is
(Allah) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.
065.004: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye
have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life
within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make
their path easy.
065.005: That is the Command of Allah, which He has sent down to you: and if any one fears Allah, He will remove his ills, from
him, and will enlarge his reward.
065.006 : Let the women live (in 'iddat) in the same style as ye live, according to your means: Annoy them not, so as to restrict
them. And if they carry (life in their wombs), then spend (your substance) on them until they deliver their burden: and if they
suckle your (offspring), give them their recompense: and take mutual counsel together, according to what is just and
reasonable. And if ye find yourselves in difficulties, let another woman suckle (the child) on the (father's) behalf.
Did Allah, God Send such Surahs through his prophet dear Zuher?? , Can you expalin us about what does "those who have
no courses" means in 65.004?? . Please look in to Original Q'uran..and How does that surh effect the the marriage of Prophet
with A'isha?? and how does/did it effect Muslim Children in general?.. Off course you are also expert of Hadith don't foget the
thighing.
This is the same yeezevee, who is a moderator at FFI and who i have had a debate with. He says that the part of the verse
underlined means female children. This is the lewdness disbelief takes one into and leaves bare of any intellectual argument
whatsoever.
As regards sura Talaq:
What is so difficult to understand in those verses? i honestly, and quite objectively, do not see anything unclear there. Its so
simply put and quite straight forward. I am sure someone of your calibre can understand. What is so difficult? What are you
driving at?
Did Allah, God Send such Surahs through his prophet dear Zuher??
Yes Allah SWT did. It was meant for all believers through a revelation to the Prophet PBUH.
I do not know if this is quite on purpose, yzv. I really do not see any point in your question. Or maybe you do not understand
and for those who have no courses
monthly courses,
= monthly periods (menstrual cycle)
three months
= period of iddat. Waiting period after decision of divorce is finalised prior to total separation.
065.004: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any
doubts, is three months,
This is a direct reference to women who have passed their fertility age and do not ovulate anymore. Normally term them as
Menopausal. Women in menopause are amenorrhaic. That is quite normal. Age may vary from 45 years and above.
and for those who have no courses (it is the same)
This is a direct reference to women who have NOT passed their fertility age i.e. not menopausal but suffering from
amenorrhoea. Reasons for amenorrhoea:
Primary Amenorrhea
*Chromosomal or genetic abnormalities can cause the eggs and follicles involved in menstruation to deplete too early in life.
*Hypothalamic or pituitary diseases and physical problems, such as problems with reproductive organs, can prevent periods
from starting.
*Moderate or excessive exercise, eating disorders (such as anorexia nervosa), extreme physical or psychological stress, or a
combination of these can disrupt the normal menstrual cycle.
- Secondary amenorrhoea
*This problem is much more common than primary amenorrhoea.
*Common causes include many of those listed for primary amenorrhoea, as well as pregnancy, certain contraceptives,
breastfeeding, mental stress, and certain medications.
*Hormonal problems involving the hypothalamus, pituitary, thyroid, ovary, or adrenal glands can also cause amenorrhoea.
*Women who have very low body weight sometimes stop getting their periods as well.
*Women with premature ovarian failure stop getting regular their periods before natural menopause.
The verses of sura talaq you have quoted are so clear. They show so vividly how a man should treat his wife upon divorce,
once the decision is taken in presence of witnesses, at the divorce, during the waiting period (iddat), 3 months, where the
husband bears the costs of upkeep for his wife within the period, and if she is pregnant after the divorce decision, he bears
the expense right up to delivery. The verses also provide for a possible re-union between the separated couple.
What exactly are you trying to imply? Please do clarify.
Any mention in the verses specifically about children?
Please give me something more palatable. Or maybe clarify what exactly you are asking.
It is quite normal even in Non Muslim western countries where couples upon dispute separate with the intention to divorce and
later (after some months or years) decide to consummate the divorce or get back together. Is it alien to you? in such sepration
periods some husbands do not even bear the expenses for their separated wives and such women have to go out and work
hard to earn a living. The Quran provides that in this separation period (min 3 months), the husband bears the upkeep of the
wife prior to consummation of divorce or even better, getting the couple back together.
.... I wonder
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As you clearly visualise, i did not even get the thought process of this lewd person until i gave it a second thought. How dirty
these people are.
Surah Talaq verse 4 is clearly talking about women in various different phases of their fertility cycles. it talks of women in
menopause. It talks of amenorrhaeic women, and those who are pregnant; all at the time of divorce.
Nowhere does the flow of this verse have a trough when it talks of female children. it never even mentions female children nor
does it point towards such. its a clear flow of thought about women.
This is their area of paedophilia thought from the Quran. After my response, he never picked the subject again.
But please continue to read and write. You know Q'uran is not just verse 65.4, we have plenty of verses to discuss..
with best regards
yeezevee
How hypocritical these people get even in their disbelief and abject opposition to Allah SWT.
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Brothers,
This is where the FFI goons pick up their issue of paedophilia from the Quran
065.001 : O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their
prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except
in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah: and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does
verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.
065.002 : Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable
terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah.
Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares
a way out,
065.003: And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is
(Allah) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.
065.004: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye
have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life
within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make
their path easy.
065.005: That is the Command of Allah, which He has sent down to you: and if any one fears Allah, He will remove his ills, from
him, and will enlarge his reward.
065.006 : Let the women live (in 'iddat) in the same style as ye live, according to your means: Annoy them not, so as to restrict
them. And if they carry (life in their wombs), then spend (your substance) on them until they deliver their burden: and if they
suckle your (offspring), give them their recompense: and take mutual counsel together, according to what is just and
reasonable. And if ye find yourselves in difficulties, let another woman suckle (the child) on the (father's) behalf.
Did Allah, God Send such Surahs through his prophet dear Zuher?? , Can you expalin us about what does "those who have
no courses" means in 65.004?? . Please look in to Original Q'uran..and How does that surh effect the the marriage of Prophet
with A'isha?? and how does/did it effect Muslim Children in general?.. Off course you are also expert of Hadith don't foget the
thighing.
This is the same yeezevee, who is a moderator at FFI and who i have had a debate with. He says that the part of the verse
underlined means female children. This is the lewdness disbelief takes one into and leaves bare of any intellectual argument
whatsoever.
As regards sura Talaq:
What is so difficult to understand in those verses? i honestly, and quite objectively, do not see anything unclear there. Its so
simply put and quite straight forward. I am sure someone of your calibre can understand. What is so difficult? What are you
driving at?
Did Allah, God Send such Surahs through his prophet dear Zuher??
Yes Allah SWT did. It was meant for all believers through a revelation to the Prophet PBUH.
I do not know if this is quite on purpose, yzv. I really do not see any point in your question. Or maybe you do not understand
and for those who have no courses
monthly courses,
= monthly periods (menstrual cycle)
three months
= period of iddat. Waiting period after decision of divorce is finalised prior to total separation.
065.004: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any
doubts, is three months,
This is a direct reference to women who have passed their fertility age and do not ovulate anymore. Normally term them as
Menopausal. Women in menopause are amenorrhaic. That is quite normal. Age may vary from 45 years and above.
and for those who have no courses (it is the same)
This is a direct reference to women who have NOT passed their fertility age i.e. not menopausal but suffering from
amenorrhoea. Reasons for amenorrhoea:
Primary Amenorrhea
*Chromosomal or genetic abnormalities can cause the eggs and follicles involved in menstruation to deplete too early in life.
*Hypothalamic or pituitary diseases and physical problems, such as problems with reproductive organs, can prevent periods
from starting.
*Moderate or excessive exercise, eating disorders (such as anorexia nervosa), extreme physical or psychological stress, or a
combination of these can disrupt the normal menstrual cycle.
- Secondary amenorrhoea
*This problem is much more common than primary amenorrhoea.
*Common causes include many of those listed for primary amenorrhoea, as well as pregnancy, certain contraceptives,
breastfeeding, mental stress, and certain medications.
*Hormonal problems involving the hypothalamus, pituitary, thyroid, ovary, or adrenal glands can also cause amenorrhoea.
*Women who have very low body weight sometimes stop getting their periods as well.
*Women with premature ovarian failure stop getting regular their periods before natural menopause.
The verses of sura talaq you have quoted are so clear. They show so vividly how a man should treat his wife upon divorce,
once the decision is taken in presence of witnesses, at the divorce, during the waiting period (iddat), 3 months, where the
husband bears the costs of upkeep for his wife within the period, and if she is pregnant after the divorce decision, he bears
the expense right up to delivery. The verses also provide for a possible re-union between the separated couple.
What exactly are you trying to imply? Please do clarify.
Any mention in the verses specifically about children?
Please give me something more palatable. Or maybe clarify what exactly you are asking.
It is quite normal even in Non Muslim western countries where couples upon dispute separate with the intention to divorce and
later (after some months or years) decide to consummate the divorce or get back together. Is it alien to you? in such sepration
periods some husbands do not even bear the expenses for their separated wives and such women have to go out and work
hard to earn a living. The Quran provides that in this separation period (min 3 months), the husband bears the upkeep of the
wife prior to consummation of divorce or even better, getting the couple back together.
.... I wonder
-----------------------------------
As you clearly visualise, i did not even get the thought process of this lewd person until i gave it a second thought. How dirty
these people are.
Surah Talaq verse 4 is clearly talking about women in various different phases of their fertility cycles. it talks of women in
menopause. It talks of amenorrhaeic women, and those who are pregnant; all at the time of divorce.
Nowhere does the flow of this verse have a trough when it talks of female children. it never even mentions female children nor
does it point towards such. its a clear flow of thought about women.
This is their area of paedophilia thought from the Quran. After my response, he never picked the subject again.
But please continue to read and write. You know Q'uran is not just verse 65.4, we have plenty of verses to discuss..
with best regards
yeezevee
How hypocritical these people get even in their disbelief and abject opposition to Allah SWT.
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